Lucifer, Vol. 3: A Dalliance With the Damned

Lucifer, Vol. 3: A Dalliance With the Damned

From the pages of Neil Gaiman's multi award-winning Sandman series...Lucifer has been busy - creating a universe of his own, in fact, something that has caused ripples and attracted the attention of forces both Above and Below. Join our anti-hero as he journeys to a strange, 18th-century flavoured hell, full of intrigues and back-stabbing; as we meet a poor sinner who is...

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Title:Lucifer, Vol. 3: A Dalliance With the Damned
Author:Mike Carey
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Lucifer, Vol. 3: A Dalliance With the Damned Reviews

  • Sonja

    Unfortunately, this is going to be less a review and more of a highlights. So, without further adieu (since I still have Volume 4 to read and it's due back at the library tomorrow):

    Still enjoying the inversion that's going on here. Lucifer makes his realm and his only command is

    So beautiful.

    And then of course one of the angels comes to the man in the form of a serpent, inspiring doubt in the man's

    Unfortunately, this is going to be less a review and more of a highlights. So, without further adieu (since I still have Volume 4 to read and it's due back at the library tomorrow):

    Still enjoying the inversion that's going on here. Lucifer makes his realm and his only command is

    So beautiful.

    And then of course one of the angels comes to the man in the form of a serpent, inspiring doubt in the man's (the man's! gender-bender) about Lucifer's role as creator as well, the paradox (so popular in Christian mythology) of freedom in slavery to a deity, polarizing opinions of good and evil, the philosophy that the end (or, in his words, the intent) justifies the means, the nature of desire, and other things of a philosophical nature that I wish I had the time to more thoroughly think about.

    Still. Gender-bendery goodness, nature of good and evil, all good stuff.

    Yesterday, I enthused how Mazikeen didn't tie herself down to Lucifer and how she went off on a journey and how I still liked it, regardless of how much the reader saw of her journey or not.

    Well. I'm here to tell you that Mazikeen's journey was bad ass.

    She goes to find her identity, and is instead elected leader of the Lilim after she outwits her trial (since her fellows thought she had betrayed them by staying with Lucifer).

    And when in hell, someone introduces her as Lucifer's consort? Oh no. She's having none of that.

    Also, I really love how she refused to play act by costuming to the period that Hell had set as its desktop.

    I also think I want her t-shirt: normal consciousness will be resumed.

    I think I know my next Halloween costume. Oh yes.

    So, in volume 2 she left to find her face -- a quest for identity. And then she found her identity in a role of leader of the Lilim. And when Lucifer refused to ally himself with them -- she didn't stay again. She left with her people. I think that's so great.

    One of the things I've learned in my writing class is that people -- and especially writers -- thrive off the misfortune of others. We love to gossip about it. Etc.

    I've often thought about this -- noticing the little ways I myself take pleasure in the pain or discomfit of others (I can only speak for myself, but I think every individual has their own private bit of themselves that enjoys the non-happiness of others in their own unique way).

    And that was illustrated (heh, pun) here, with the pain powder that was...orgasmic. But it was orgasmic because it wasn't true pain, not like he later describes:

    I found that an interesting concept.

    There's this problem, see, with anti-heroes in stories. Anti-heroes walk a fine line. They can't be too base because then they'd make poor protagonists and then nobody would like them anymore.

    Sometimes writers try to avoid this by defanging or declawing them, as it were. Spike sort of went through something similar (unfortunately).

    It's difficult because you don't want them to stagnate and be boring, but they can't really be someone whom they're not at the same time (I fancy all characters have this problem, it's just really obvious and more noticeable with anti-heroes in my experience).

    So, there are these two scenes where Lucifer is a magnificent anti-hero -- and the writers could have shied away and had him done something more palatable.

    But they didn't.

    First, he gives a demon a soul. I mean that's just. Wow, that's just cruel. And I'm in awe of it and yet, at the same time, that's...cruel (well, I suppose one doesn't become lord of hell for nothing). But yet - it's a testament to the multi-facetedness of the character.

    The second bit was when some kids snuck into his house -- and prayed to God. Of course, he wouldn't save them for that. It reminded me of those people who are like -- and thank god my loved one survived this terrible accident when, in reality, it was because someone was a damned good doctor who gave a shit about his job.

    So I really enjoyed that scene as a writer -- because Lucifer's still an anti-hero here instead of bowing out and taking the noble option -- and as a person who is appreciative of social commentary, wherever it can be found.

  • Devann

    So I had originally given this volume 4 stars because while I absolutely adore Tryptic and The Thunder Sermon, A Dalliance with the Damned bores me pretty immensely. But after reading it again I realized that despite not really liking 2 issues in this, the rest of it has some of my favorite story lines and quotes from the whole series so let's just call it a 4.5 rounded up.

    I love how we get to see Lucifer creating his own universe because he literally creates it and then sets it up exactly like

    So I had originally given this volume 4 stars because while I absolutely adore Tryptic and The Thunder Sermon, A Dalliance with the Damned bores me pretty immensely. But after reading it again I realized that despite not really liking 2 issues in this, the rest of it has some of my favorite story lines and quotes from the whole series so let's just call it a 4.5 rounded up.

    I love how we get to see Lucifer creating his own universe because he literally creates it and then sets it up exactly like God's universe at first but everyone is playing opposite roles basically. And it's not like he's doing it by accident, the whole thing is on purpose because it's not enough for him to just make his own universe, he has to make like God's only BETTER. And still everything goes exactly the same except how God deals with his creations' 'failings' vs how Lucifer deals with it. I just think it's a very interesting concept because it's not really like Lucifer wants to be worshiped like God or even 'in charge' so to speak but in order for God not to be in charge of him, he has to basically become God and be in charge of everything else.

    I also love the issue that focuses on Mazikeen because while she is kind of in the background in the first few volumes, she really comes into her own here. It's very fitting that the Triptych issues focuse around Lucifer, Elaine, and Mazikeen because they are definitely the main players in the over-arching plot. Also I love the way Mazikeen wins her fight against the other Lilim because it has a very Lucifer-esque feel to it. They are really very similar in a lot of ways I like their relationship and how they play off each other, but more on that later.

    The whole Dalliance with the Damned plotline with Lys and Christopher is just very meh to me. I mean I recognize that it's laying important groundwork for later stories, but just reading through it is incredibly dull and also I've gotta roll my eyes a little bit at Lys as the like 'oversexual demon seductress' trope. Although in this series it's honestly not as bad as it usually is because you've got tons of other female characters that aren't like that at all, whereas usually it's like 'oh you get one female character and she's just fan service'. Also, while I don't necessarily dislike Christopher, out of all the main characters in this series he is probably the most boring to me overall, even though he does play an important role. This second picks up a bit towards the end when Lucifer and Mazikeen shows up, but it's still one of my least favorite parts of the series.

    The Thunder Sermon is probably one of my favorite issues in the whole series [next to The Yahweh Dance, but that is much later]. I like the twist it throws into Lucifer and Mazikeen's relationship and also Lucifer's conversation with Michael is very illuminating as to where they both stand going forward in the series. And those last few pages hit me hard every time because it's just like #classicLucifer.

    Some highlights:

    First mention of Lilith! Can't wait til we get to her backstory issues.

    As I mentioned before, I absolutely love Mazikeen's fight here.

    One of several of my favorite quotes from this series.

    Obligatory mentions of will.

    #LoveIt

    Obligatory mention of will Pt 2.

    I just love how Lucifer is like 'mmm I think we're supposed to dress up' and Mazikeen is like 'ask me if I give a fuck'.

    Another of my favorite quotes with the 'no one's good at everything' bit.

    Why you really shouldn't tell Lucifer he can't do something Exhibit 1.

    That bottom right panel is another of my favorite quotes from the series and I think also a pretty good representation of Lucifer's overall character.

  • Carol A

    This is an incredibly dark book but masterfully done. This is technically a re-read but I'd forgotten enough that it was as delightful a re-read as the initial read was. Michael reports that God is gone and Lucifer returns his niece and her friend to life in another universe where they are unworshipped gods. Lucifer is not cruel, but he is precise and it is delightful to see him with Elaine and her friend. I just love this series so much.

  • Airiz C

    Norman Mailer once said that

    series by Neil Gaiman is a “comic book for intellectuals”. If ever he’d read the

    graphic novels by Mike Carey, I bet he’d say the same comment about it.

    is the third volume that chronicles the adventures of the Lightbringer from the pages of

    , Lucifer Morningstar. For the majority of this tome, the dashing devil takes the backseat while the readers are “toured” further in Carey’s well-crafted universe and

    Norman Mailer once said that

    series by Neil Gaiman is a “comic book for intellectuals”. If ever he’d read the

    graphic novels by Mike Carey, I bet he’d say the same comment about it.

    is the third volume that chronicles the adventures of the Lightbringer from the pages of

    , Lucifer Morningstar. For the majority of this tome, the dashing devil takes the backseat while the readers are “toured” further in Carey’s well-crafted universe and deeper into the personalities and histories of secondary characters.

    I love the concept of the Effrul, a city in hell reminiscent of ancient London, full of pseudo-royalties that bask in eternal pleasure provided by the damned and other demons. This is a sick concept and all, and it got me going “It’s unfair! Fiends and devils that enjoy good fortune in hell? There must be a deeper kind of inferno where these creatures should be punished!” The drug called “pain”, extracted from the actual tormenting of the damned souls and materialized into powder, is an object of addiction among these royalties. The whole idea is genius, contributing greatly in the gradual world-building of this series.

    Like its preceding compilation it has a lot going on: Ellain Belloc, the archangel Michael’s offspring with a human, goes to Effrul in attempts to find the spirit of her friend Mona; Mazikeen seeks the help of her kin, the Lilim, when Lucifer refuses to restore her face; Lady Lys, a royalty in Effrul, takes a damned lover to satisfy her needs only to get unexpected results; and Lucifer folds the gateways of his universe in space and time after God announces that no one else can make another version of the Creation.

    The action is already at its full-swing, and I’m expecting the plot to thicken some more in the next volumes. I admit that some issues are dropping a notch when the antihero is not present, and this is maybe because the other characters where the spotlight is shining on are not as interesting as the Fallen One himself. With the remarkable storylines of each issue, though, I guess that could be forgiven. Risque parts are to be expected, what with the nature of the majority of this volume (hint: look at the title), and I'm giving a thumb up for the artists and writer for doing their jobs

    .

    In general, this is a good page-turner. I’m stoked to read the next tome!

  • Jayaprakash Satyamurthy

    Very gripping. some twisted little side plots, all sorts of intrigue in hell, and an awesome chance for Lucifer to play out a new take on the garden of Eden story. Also, everyone wants a piece of Lucifer's new Creation so things seem to be working towards a Season Of Mists sort of scenario. I'm not sure how I feel about that - Season Of Mists was stunning in concept and execution - right up until the too-easy resolution. I hope Carey takes this in a different direction, and Lucifer's seeming

    Very gripping. some twisted little side plots, all sorts of intrigue in hell, and an awesome chance for Lucifer to play out a new take on the garden of Eden story. Also, everyone wants a piece of Lucifer's new Creation so things seem to be working towards a Season Of Mists sort of scenario. I'm not sure how I feel about that - Season Of Mists was stunning in concept and execution - right up until the too-easy resolution. I hope Carey takes this in a different direction, and Lucifer's seeming disinterest in negotiating with any of the factions who want a portion of his pie seems to point in that direction. We shall see. In the meantime, this continues to be pretty damned excellent storytelling.

  • Cheese

    Fantastic series. If it continues like this it’ll be in my top 10 easily

  • Štěpán Tichý

    Interlude that is detached a little bit from the story so far. Definitely shows more characters and set ups the future plot. Yay, for the next one!

  • Sally ☾

    things are getting intense and I'm rEADY for it.

  • Artemy

    The first arc in this volume, "Triptych", was actually pretty good. But then, sadly, it all went to hell (literally). And I have to give Mike Carey some credit here, not every writer can write hell in such a boring way. Basically all that happens there is some murderer gets to boink a babe with huge knockers for a couple of issues, and then there is a party. I'm not even joking.

    Lucifer is very badly written. The dialogue is so stale and so lifeless, the book actually feels much more dated than

    The first arc in this volume, "Triptych", was actually pretty good. But then, sadly, it all went to hell (literally). And I have to give Mike Carey some credit here, not every writer can write hell in such a boring way. Basically all that happens there is some murderer gets to boink a babe with huge knockers for a couple of issues, and then there is a party. I'm not even joking.

    Lucifer is very badly written. The dialogue is so stale and so lifeless, the book actually feels much more dated than Sandman ever did, despite being a more recent series. And the story is just all over the place. It doesn't feel like the plot is going anywhere, it's all just tons and tons of dry exposition and random events.

    The artwork also got uglier since the last two volumes. Weird anatomy, ugly faces, primitive shapes. It's just not nice to look at.

    Anyway, I am done with the series. And I probably will avoid Mike Carey's books from now on. If this is his best stuff, I don't want to read the rest.

  • Cathy

    Most of the book was about characters I didn't care about at all doing things that I didn't care about at all. It wasn't intriguing or enjoyable. I don't understand what Carey was doing with this one. I've had very hard time with this series, I'm still not seeing the appeal. There are high points but they're few and far between. But I can get the books from the library so I might get the next one someday.

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